Alexander Wang and Ryan Korban first met as students in New York and have remained close friends as they’ve risen to the top of their respective fields of fashion design and interior design. Over the years, the two have collaborated several times, with Korban designing Wang’s apartment and his flagship stores. In this episode, the creative duo chat candidly with Cindi Leive about the role of trust in collaboration, surprising career-defining moments, and matters of personal taste. And there’s a lot of LOLing.

Plus, Korban’s new book, Ryan Korban: Interiors, is available at Barneys, and later this month he brings his sleek, bold aesthetic to Barneys Madison Avenue with a curated space on the ninth floor.

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